Troll: noun 1) A mythical creature who is known for its ugliness and surly manner. 2) A commenter on a blog who, instead of disagreeing respectfully, logically, and thoughtfully resorts to insults, circular arguments, and/or bull-headed repetition. 3) A cute doll with colorful, goofy hair.
For all intents and purposes, this handy-dandy guide will focus on definition two, as I assume no one on the internet is a hobgoblin or a plastic doll. (Though if you are, you are still welcome here!)
So, you wanna comment on this blog (and others) without being a troll? Well guess what…you can! And still disagree with the authors! It’s not that difficult, I promise. Your trusty guide, Kacie, will walk you through step-by-step onto how to comment (and even express dissent!) on a feminist blog without turning into a mean, nasty troll!
1) NEVER EVER USE RACIST OR SEXIST SLURS. Really, it’s a bit of a no-brainer, but I figure I’d throw it out there. Nothing screams “TROLL” louder than a commenter who insists on using offensive language. Cursing is ok, especially to express anger at the patriarchy. However, name-calling rooted in sexist or racist origins, of the author, other readers, or a third party will earn the commenter automatic Troll Status and they will be subject to deletion.
- WRONG WAY: “Hilary Clinton is a stuck up cunt, and so are you!”
- RIGHT WAY: “I disagree with many of Hilary Clinton’s policies and sometimes she seems a bit inaccessible to the average American.”
2) Refrain from relying on the “what about teh menz?!” argument: This is a feminist blog. I write about feminist issues. Yes, I care about how gender roles affect both men and women, and yes, men are important and face unique hardships, and I will occasionally discuss male-centered issues as they relate to gender. But the fact of the matter is, in a patriarchy, men are not oppressed solely on their gender. So even though small numbers of men are raped/victims of domestic violence/discriminated against in traditionally female jobs, it is not because they are oppressed as men, and at the end of the day, women’s issues when it comes to gender are more pervasive in our society. Don’t like it? Well, start your own blog and bitch about it there, because you are just wrong and I don’t want out-and-out ignorance on my blog.
- WRONG WAY: “Ummm…talking about domestic violence as a women’s issue is stupid because men are more victimized when it comes to domestic due to false accusations!”
- RIGHT WAY: “Punishment of innocent men in domestic violence cases is a problem caused by the justice system, but it doesn’t erase the fact that women are more often the victims of domestic abuse. We should think about ways to improve the system that will better serve the victims AND will leave less room for false imprisonments.” (Note how this comment acknowledges men can be at a disadvantage but doesn’t erase/replace the woman-centered issues.)
3) Unpack your fucking privilege before criticizing another’s experience. Quick! Your privilege is showing! Really, you need to think about what your privileges are before you dismiss another’s experience. White people often dismiss people of color’s discrepancies because they fail to notice that racism exists. Men have trouble seeing sexism because it rarely affects them. Straight folks don’t realize how difficult it is to be out and gay in America. Welcome to privilege. Really, what’s yours? I will state mine right here: I AM A STRAIGHT, WHITE MIDDLE CLASS PERSON. I have lived a pretty easy life in most areas because my family has enough to money to put me at an advantage and my skin color has not been a barrier for me. When you start to accept and realize your privileges, you can better navigate other people’s experiences without falling prey to dismissing them simply because they don’t fit in with your experiences. For example, “Plenty of my female friends make good money, so the wage gap isn’t real,” or “Racism doesn’t exist, look at Colin Powell/Barack Obama/Condolizza Rice,” or “if poor people worked harder, they wouldn’t be poor! My grandpa worked hard and got his family to a better place” are all dismissing people’s experience simply by assuming YOUR EXPERIENCE applies to ALL experiences.
- WRONG WAY: “You are being overly sensitive about this sexist image/racist language/classist legislation/homophobic joke. Because I am male/white/middle class/straight and I never really see these ‘isms’ they can’t exist!”
- RIGHT WAY: “While in my life I have never really been the object of sexism/racism/classism/homophobia, this certain piece has made me think about my privileges. And while I still disagree with you on <enter issue here> for <these reasons> that doesn’t mean that these <isms> don’t exist within our culture.
4) Don’t be a rape apologist. It’s pretty easy, guys. Don’t say “she cried rape.” Don’t victim-blame by calling into question the victim’s sexual past, her use of drugs or alcohol, or any sort of “irresponsibilites” on her part. Don’t scream “INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.” And don’t refer to her as someone with a vendetta/no brain/no autonomy by blasting on about “false accusations.” If you actually want to talk about the implications of rape, why don’t you first think about what would happen if someone you loved was raped? Your little sister? Your girlfriend? Your wife? Your daughter? Would you accuse her of being a slut? Would you say it was her fault for drinking? (If the answer to either questions is yes, please get the hell off my site because you are a heartless asshole and I don’t want to deal with you.) So empty yourself of all victim-blaming bullshit before proceeding. You can disagree with the definition of rape (I’ll argue with you) and the problems with rape and society, but don’t rely on slut-shaming tactics.
- WRONG WAY: “It’s obvious that this so-called rape victim needed to take some responsibility for herself by not drinking/going out alone at night/daring to have sex in the past/possessing a vagina. I’m not saying she deserved to be raped, but if she didn’t do <insert saucy harlot behavior here> she might not have been raped!”
- RIGHT WAY: “I am a little unclear about when you say that a person cannot give legal consent when they are drunk. Doesn’t that strip all autonomy from the victim? It just seems a little patronizing to me.”
5) Know what feminism is and don’t use prejudiced assumptions about it to try and shape your argument. For fuck’s sake, don’t operate on what you THINK feminism is before talking about it. Did it ever occur to you that none of us feminist blogger popped out of the womb with all these ideas and opinions on oppression; instead it took us lots of time reading lots of literature and doing lots of soul searching. I urge you to do the same. A lot of trolls’ ideas about feminism spring from the backlash. So really, research before you open your craw. Not all feminists are man-haters, fat, ugly, or gay. And even though there are feminists who fit some or all of these descriptions, this is not a valid argument against them. Instead, it dismissed their actual arguments and focuses on attacking their person.
- WRONG WAY: “What you are saying is completely wrong because you are obviously a man-hating bull dyke who refuses to shave her legs, weighs 200lbs, and has a face that not even a mother could love. You are worthless, and therefore so is your argument.”
- RIGHT WAY: “I disagree with your argument.”
6) If the blog owner (in this case, me!) deletes your comments, it is because you are breaking these rules. Yes we are silencing you because you aren’t adding to the discourse, you are silencing it. Don’t like it? Well start your own blog and whine about it there, because it’s not showing up here.
- WRONG WAY: Blog owner deletes your comments repeatedly, so you keep posting them over and over and over and over, mixing it up with the occasional “You’re oppressing me!” comment.
- RIGHT WAY: Start your own anti-feminist blog and blab about your problems with all of us evil womyns over there. I’m sure you’ll get plenty of readers.
It’s not too hard. By following these simple guidelines, you CAN disagree with me and have your voice be heard, and not be labeled a troll.


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May 18, 2008 at 12:53 am
feministgal
well said
May 20, 2008 at 12:30 am
Amelia
Nicely done.
Lucky for you, this didn’t garner mega-backlash.
Very well put. I should have put more thought into my lousy attempt of explaining my comment policy.
Yay, Kacie.
July 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Gemini Girl
A very clearly stated comment policy, but also an excellent explanation of what it means to look at life from a feminist perspective. When we recognize and understand the existence of white power and privilege, and it’s impact on society, this can be the first step towards creating change.
July 18, 2008 at 4:17 pm
musingsofabittergirl
I think you are far too nice in assuming the kinds of people who violate these rules of common courtesy 1. have brains 2. read rules 3. think about consequences. I say fuck ‘em if they can’t take a feminist! Better yet, just ridicule their first comment with some great snide cuts and then delete all their follow ons
Anyhow, wanted to compliment you on your blog.
August 14, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Aafke
Very funny! And true!
And no real troll would have read all this!
August 16, 2008 at 6:37 am
fred
So now that you’ve told me not only what I can say, but also how I can say it, what’s the point of leaving any comments? Will you tolerate an opposing viewpoint?
Assuming that’s you in the picture, I wonder how you came to be so angry and narrow minded at such a young age.
August 16, 2008 at 11:45 am
goingtomontreal
Um…I only have tried to combat the offensive and pointless garbage that TROLLS leave on my blog. Why should I post every “lulz u r ugly!!!” or “someone should rape some sense into you” comment that I get?
I tolerate opposing viewpoints, but not when they are inflammatory or do not add anything to the discussion.
I am not narrow-minded, friend. And if you want to know how I became so angry at a young age, perhaps you should READ SOME OF MY BACK POSTS. Or would you rather I serve them to you on a silver platter, with a cold beer while wearing a mini-skirt?
Seriously, why are people so damned lazy?
August 24, 2008 at 7:21 pm
nimbrethil
Fred, that’s just fucking hilarious. You were instructing her on how better to express herself, but take umbrage when you get the same treatment?
So it’s proper for a man to correct a woman’s speech, but not the other way around? Careful, pal, your privilege really is showing!
September 28, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Pirlo
The whole point of freedom of expression is to bring out in the open thought, opinions and sentiments that are different from the norm, from your own, your class, etc. ALSO that which is offensive, stupid, ignorant. I would say, especially these things. In a public space, dangerous opinions (i.e. women deserve being raped because they are sluts, jews are evil, etc.) are aired, can be met, discussed, and more importantly – we can have knowledge about them – the fact that they exist. Real danger is when these oppinions are allowed to grow under the public radar.
It’s in your right to delete any comment on your page, but don’t do it thinking your doing anyone a favor. You say your privilege is white and middle class. So you can either keep this blog clean and white, middle class friendly, or you can try to make it a space that accurately reflects the average opinion. As accurately as possible that is; how many anti-feminists are reading a feminist blog anyway?
The only reason to censure a utterance from a public space is if it’s not serious. If you suspect that the person is saying it just to provoke or to redicule, “lulz u r ugly!!!” or “someone should rape some sense into you” are both good examples. “It’s obvious that this so-called rape victim needed to take some responsibility for herself by not drinking/going out alone at night/daring to have sex in the past/possessing a vagina. I’m not saying she deserved to be raped, but if she didn’t do she might not have been raped!” is not. Right or wrong, it is an actual opinion. Accept it, fight it, discuss it, love it, despise it, or delete it and keep living in your safe little bubble of ignorance.
And a blog is public, so saying that it’s mine and I can do whatever I want with it is at best an dismissal of responsibility.
To nimbrethil:
“So it’s proper for a man to correct a woman’s speech, but not the other way around? Careful, pal, your privilege really is showing!”
If you’re referring to his post on this page, and not some other one on another page that I haven’t read (in which case I apologize), your missing the point. She’s censuring opinion, he’s telling her not to do so. This has nothing to do with gender.
November 7, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Rachel
Perhaps if Fred had actually READ the damned rules he would have realised that you can indeed have and vocalise an opposing opinion. (There’s always one, isn’t there?!)
What you CAN’T do – as I understand it – is act in any way like an asshole. If you do that, the blog author is perfectly within their rights to make you shut the fuck up. We hear that shit enough in real life, without having to put up with it in spaces that we make our own.
November 9, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Rj
First time reader, checking out the rules–Very interesting though I’m sure trolls won’t even read it. Even though you have taken your precious time to set things up in creating this blog, anti-feminists always seem to come in, pitch a tent, and set up shop..Sounds like Columbus Day and Thanksgiving, except you probably don’t get a turkey.
November 12, 2008 at 7:24 am
Belthazar
to Pirlo, and to Rachel: what you had to say made a lot of sense, and as an over-privileged, straight, white male U.S. citizen who can have no real say in the matters of the experiences of African Americans, women, gay or anything other than an over-privileged, straight, white male U.S. citizen. Regardless of how much time and thought I have put into it.
Seriously though, Rachel, you need to calm yourself down, your arguments lessen with each swear you type and why people are afraid, and therefore angry, at feminism simply because it’s a change, people hate change especially if it comes violently, I mean you have to be subtle, and logical, if spend your time raving that you got called something by someone somewhere, that is the problem. Personally, I thought it especially Ironic that you called people who post posts that slander assholes and then you go and slander frank. Does that make you an asshole? We all get angry and we all make stupid mistakes, just try to think through them, this is a typed thing after all, you can take back what you say.
lastly, we are all people. (that’s it think on it!)
December 6, 2008 at 1:09 am
ash
I adored your “wrong way” examples. Hi-lar-i-ous, and sadly all too familiar!
December 6, 2008 at 1:12 am
ash
i think these rules have all to do with manners and mature conversation, not covering up others’ ideas. There is almost always a more proper way to make an argument than these trolls do!
December 14, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Dollface
Great guide for trolls. Wish they’d actually read and understand this.