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		<title>By: meni</title>
		<link>http://dirtyrottenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/are-men-oppressed-when-it-comes-to-domestic-violence/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>meni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  That is some amazing faked research coming from someone who can be found, after a quick Google search, to be complaining that the American justice system is unfair to men because it does not view wives as property of their husbands.  Take a look at any of this &quot;ample research,&quot; and look at its source.  Interestingly, the researchers themselves do not have the same conclusion as those who are trying to use the research to show that women are more frequently abusers.

It&#039;s also fascinating that all those murderous stalkers that this blogger mentioned, only killed because they were sick of getting abused by....the women they were stalking.  You really do have to be desperate to justify abuse against women to manage to believe that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  That is some amazing faked research coming from someone who can be found, after a quick Google search, to be complaining that the American justice system is unfair to men because it does not view wives as property of their husbands.  Take a look at any of this &#8220;ample research,&#8221; and look at its source.  Interestingly, the researchers themselves do not have the same conclusion as those who are trying to use the research to show that women are more frequently abusers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also fascinating that all those murderous stalkers that this blogger mentioned, only killed because they were sick of getting abused by&#8230;.the women they were stalking.  You really do have to be desperate to justify abuse against women to manage to believe that one.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dias</title>
		<link>http://dirtyrottenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/are-men-oppressed-when-it-comes-to-domestic-violence/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dvstats.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ample evidence&lt;/a&gt; that domestic violence is far more complex than you have presented here.  Contrary to the Canadian government statistic of 84 percent female victims and 16 percent male, the U.S. government says that male victims are 38 percent in terms of injuries (CDC).  A &lt;a href=&quot;Reciprocal violence AJPH.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2007 study by U.S. Centers for Disease Control Researchers&lt;/a&gt; (PDF) revealed that in relationships where domestic violence is one-way, over 70 percent of the time it was from the woman beating on the man.  This contradicts your assertion that when women are abusive, it&#039;s primarily in relationships where abuse is reciprocal.  The fact is that women abuse men thinking that it is their prerogative, men take it because it would be shameful to complain about it, and a few men get fed up with it and completely pulverize a woman one day when their rage has culminated following an extended period of victimization.

In my state, California, there is data that show that police are becoming more aware over the years of the hidden and subtle abuse that women have gotten away with.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dvstats.org/pdf/arrestpolicy/ca/California%20DV%20Arrest%20Data.xls&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arrest rates for domestic violence&lt;/a&gt; (Excel) show a trend over the last 23 years with increasing arrest rates for women.  In 1980, 1 percent of arrests for DV were for women; by 2004, the number was 20 percent (and it&#039;s probably still climbing).  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dvstats.org/pdf/arrestpolicy/ca/California%20DV%20Arrest%20Data%20Report.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt; (PDF).

You are correct in your statement that the existing system is ineffective at preventing or addressing domestic violence.  One indicator of this is the effect of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dontmakehermad.com/research/arrestpolicies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mandatory arrest laws&lt;/a&gt;.  According to the following studies (one of which is a government study), mandatory arrest actually led to an increase in retaliatory homicides.  Legislators had been noting that, mostly in the 1980s, &lt;b&gt;arrests&lt;/b&gt; for domestic violence corresponded to a lower reoccurrence of subsequent violence.  So, stupidly, they assumed that they would enact laws that made it mandatory that police must arrest when an allegation has been made, or when probable cause exists.  &lt;b&gt;They assumed that the success of optional arrest would be carried over if they implemented mandatory arrest.&lt;/b&gt;  It turns out that they ended up indirectly killing members of certain demographic groups, which were affected by their misguided policy.  Here are the studies:

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/Publications/Abstract.aspx?ID=186194&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exposure Reduction or Backlash? The Effects of Domestic Violence Resources on Intimate Partner Homicide&lt;/a&gt;&quot;
Authors:  Laura Dugan ; Daniel Nagin ; Richard Rosenfeld
Study sponsored by the US Dept of Justice, National Institute of Justice
http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/Publications/Abstract.aspx?ID=186194

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nber.org/papers/w13186&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Does the Certainty of Arrest Reduce Domestic Violence? Evidence from Mandatory and Recommended Arrest laws&lt;/a&gt;&quot;
Author:   Radha Iyengar
National Bureau of Economic Research
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13186

As you can see, there is plenty to reform in existing polices.  There is also plenty of abuse heretofore unacknowledged, namely the seriousness of domestic violence against men.  Perhaps a more open attitude about this in our culture would lead to more willingness of men to report abuse they suffer by women.  I personally believe that the tendency is for men to endure being hit, slapped, punched and kicked for a time, thinking that it is shameful to retaliate.  Then he reaches a certain point and says, &quot;Fuck this!&quot; and retaliates disproportionately, causing significant injury.  He then is labeled as a batterer, and must take a batterer&#039;s program (a &quot;$400 program&quot; as you referred to it) which labels him as an abuser, who is supposed to accept the idea that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;he caused&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; any violence that his partner committed against him.  It&#039;s not the cost of the program that is the problem; in such programs, the true problem is the complete displacement of blame and responsibility from abusive women onto men.  I know; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dontmakehermad.com/forum/index.php?topic=3.msg3#msg3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I was required to take such a program&lt;/a&gt;, and it was pure hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is <a href="http://www.dvstats.org/" rel="nofollow">ample evidence</a> that domestic violence is far more complex than you have presented here.  Contrary to the Canadian government statistic of 84 percent female victims and 16 percent male, the U.S. government says that male victims are 38 percent in terms of injuries (CDC).  A <a href="Reciprocal violence AJPH.pdf" rel="nofollow">2007 study by U.S. Centers for Disease Control Researchers</a> (PDF) revealed that in relationships where domestic violence is one-way, over 70 percent of the time it was from the woman beating on the man.  This contradicts your assertion that when women are abusive, it&#8217;s primarily in relationships where abuse is reciprocal.  The fact is that women abuse men thinking that it is their prerogative, men take it because it would be shameful to complain about it, and a few men get fed up with it and completely pulverize a woman one day when their rage has culminated following an extended period of victimization.</p>
<p>In my state, California, there is data that show that police are becoming more aware over the years of the hidden and subtle abuse that women have gotten away with.  <a href="http://www.dvstats.org/pdf/arrestpolicy/ca/California%20DV%20Arrest%20Data.xls" rel="nofollow">Arrest rates for domestic violence</a> (Excel) show a trend over the last 23 years with increasing arrest rates for women.  In 1980, 1 percent of arrests for DV were for women; by 2004, the number was 20 percent (and it&#8217;s probably still climbing).  <a href="http://www.dvstats.org/pdf/arrestpolicy/ca/California%20DV%20Arrest%20Data%20Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">Source</a> (PDF).</p>
<p>You are correct in your statement that the existing system is ineffective at preventing or addressing domestic violence.  One indicator of this is the effect of <a href="http://www.dontmakehermad.com/research/arrestpolicies/" rel="nofollow">mandatory arrest laws</a>.  According to the following studies (one of which is a government study), mandatory arrest actually led to an increase in retaliatory homicides.  Legislators had been noting that, mostly in the 1980s, <b>arrests</b> for domestic violence corresponded to a lower reoccurrence of subsequent violence.  So, stupidly, they assumed that they would enact laws that made it mandatory that police must arrest when an allegation has been made, or when probable cause exists.  <b>They assumed that the success of optional arrest would be carried over if they implemented mandatory arrest.</b>  It turns out that they ended up indirectly killing members of certain demographic groups, which were affected by their misguided policy.  Here are the studies:</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/Publications/Abstract.aspx?ID=186194" rel="nofollow">Exposure Reduction or Backlash? The Effects of Domestic Violence Resources on Intimate Partner Homicide</a>&#8221;<br />
Authors:  Laura Dugan ; Daniel Nagin ; Richard Rosenfeld<br />
Study sponsored by the US Dept of Justice, National Institute of Justice<br />
<a href="http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/Publications/Abstract.aspx?ID=186194" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/Publications/Abstract.aspx?ID=186194</a></p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.nber.org/papers/w13186" rel="nofollow">Does the Certainty of Arrest Reduce Domestic Violence? Evidence from Mandatory and Recommended Arrest laws</a>&#8221;<br />
Author:   Radha Iyengar<br />
National Bureau of Economic Research<br />
<a href="http://www.nber.org/papers/w13186" rel="nofollow">http://www.nber.org/papers/w13186</a></p>
<p>As you can see, there is plenty to reform in existing polices.  There is also plenty of abuse heretofore unacknowledged, namely the seriousness of domestic violence against men.  Perhaps a more open attitude about this in our culture would lead to more willingness of men to report abuse they suffer by women.  I personally believe that the tendency is for men to endure being hit, slapped, punched and kicked for a time, thinking that it is shameful to retaliate.  Then he reaches a certain point and says, &#8220;Fuck this!&#8221; and retaliates disproportionately, causing significant injury.  He then is labeled as a batterer, and must take a batterer&#8217;s program (a &#8220;$400 program&#8221; as you referred to it) which labels him as an abuser, who is supposed to accept the idea that <i><b>he caused</b></i> any violence that his partner committed against him.  It&#8217;s not the cost of the program that is the problem; in such programs, the true problem is the complete displacement of blame and responsibility from abusive women onto men.  I know; <a href="http://www.dontmakehermad.com/forum/index.php?topic=3.msg3#msg3" rel="nofollow">I was required to take such a program</a>, and it was pure hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelia Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://dirtyrottenfeminist.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/are-men-oppressed-when-it-comes-to-domestic-violence/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelia Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the CDC, the abuse rate for gay male relationships is also about 1 in 3.

So, apparently, if you&#039;re in a relationship with a man, the odds (regardless of your gender) are 1 in 3 that he will abuse you.


Let&#039;s be very blunt. The average woman is 5&#039;4&quot;, and weighs 130. The average man is 5&#039;9&quot; and weighs  about 170. He has 30% more upper body strength. Add in the psychological warfare that usually goes with the abuse: cutting her off from friends and family, destroying self-esteem and convincing her she&#039;s worthless (essentially externalizing all the messages she&#039;s internalized), and you have a man with all the advantages and a woman who thinks she deserves what she gets.

So don&#039;t give me &quot;oh the menz are sooooo victimized,&quot; guys. The basic picture is absolutely against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the CDC, the abuse rate for gay male relationships is also about 1 in 3.</p>
<p>So, apparently, if you&#8217;re in a relationship with a man, the odds (regardless of your gender) are 1 in 3 that he will abuse you.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be very blunt. The average woman is 5&#8242;4&#8243;, and weighs 130. The average man is 5&#8242;9&#8243; and weighs  about 170. He has 30% more upper body strength. Add in the psychological warfare that usually goes with the abuse: cutting her off from friends and family, destroying self-esteem and convincing her she&#8217;s worthless (essentially externalizing all the messages she&#8217;s internalized), and you have a man with all the advantages and a woman who thinks she deserves what she gets.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t give me &#8220;oh the menz are sooooo victimized,&#8221; guys. The basic picture is absolutely against you.</p>
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